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CEL Needle No Hit?

Posted: 06:11 pm Mar 11 2007
by 2001kdx
I threw the CEL in my stock carby and I was expecting a distinctive hit like others have experienced, bit i felt no such thing. I DID feel very good bottom end power, It felt like a power mod right off the bottom. It might have just cleaned up my jetting or something, but I was getting some 3rd gear below-the-kips front wheel lofts. I still however did not feel that famous c taper hit, maybe raising the clip will help? I'm also afraid the DEL, which I also have (thanks to jeb) will be even less noticable.

Posted: 06:15 pm Mar 11 2007
by Indawoods
The needle is only 1 part of the equation... :wink:

Posted: 07:26 pm Mar 11 2007
by m0rie
What is the rest of your jetting? Altitude and temp? Reed condition?

Posted: 07:55 pm Mar 11 2007
by 2001kdx
Jetting= 155/45 300ft altitude, 50 degree temps, stock reeds not cracked.

i've removed the snorkel, rest of mods are rev pipe and Q silencer.

Thinkng about buying the next leanest pair of jets, 152/42.

Posted: 09:03 pm Mar 11 2007
by Jeb
What did the WOT chop reveal?

Go ahead and get a 150 MJ and a 40 PJ in addition to what you plan on getting - you might need 'em!!

Posted: 10:07 pm Mar 11 2007
by m0rie
You'll need the next set leaner jet for sure. Buy at 150MJ and 40PJ like jeb suggests as well.

Posted: 07:44 pm Mar 14 2007
by Jeb
So . . . what became of the "no hit" needle?

Did you order some jets?

Don't give up on jetting, 2001kdx, it'll be like magic when it's right!

Posted: 09:05 pm Mar 14 2007
by 2001kdx
As smooth as ever jeb.

Problem is... RICH! This bike SOUNDS rich, I can hear it.
Still pleased with low end torque and performance. I'll hit the dealer up on the weekend for at least the 152/42 combo. I never jetted after installing the REV pipe - I might end up with a BEAST when I throw those jets In!

Posted: 09:32 pm Mar 14 2007
by scheckaet
This bike SOUNDS rich, I can hear it
:hmm:

Posted: 05:29 pm Mar 16 2007
by 2001kdx
scheck, put a main jet 2 sizes too large in your bike and tell if it sounds different. It will.

Posted: 04:47 pm Mar 23 2007
by Jeb
So did you swap out some jets yet? I've had to order some before, but a good shop might have them . . . maybe.

Posted: 09:37 pm Mar 23 2007
by 2001kdx
I when to my kawi dealer, and they had mains in stock. I bought 152,150 MJ's. I ordered a 42 pilot, but they GOT me. $9.60 for the pilot jet.

Anyway, I put the 152 in, didn't feel that much of a difference. Makes me think the 150 will be spot on. I love the way the bike pulls now, strong off the bottom, and strong through the top. Still pretty smooth too!

I'll also have to fiddle with the clip. I am currently waiting out some white crap covering my woods :cry:

Posted: 10:13 pm Mar 23 2007
by Jeb
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2001kdx wrote: . . . I put the 152 in, didn't feel that much of a difference. Makes me think the 150 will be spot on. . .
Try a wide-open-throttle-chop (WOT) with the 152 in place. It'll only cost you a spark plug!

Posted: 10:26 pm Mar 23 2007
by 2001kdx
I'm too much of weenie to hold my bike at max throttle and rpm for more than 5 seconds. I'm only afraid of a huge piston seize or something. It is tattooed on my brain!

On second thought, maybe I'll try it tommorow. I can to 6th gear, be going up a hill so i'm under a load. How many seconds should I go?

Posted: 08:12 am Mar 24 2007
by Jeb
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2001kdx wrote:I'm too much of weenie to hold my bike at max throttle and rpm for more than 5 seconds. I'm only afraid of a huge piston seize or something. It is tattooed on my brain!

On second thought, maybe I'll try it tommorow. I can to 6th gear, be going up a hill so i'm under a load. How many seconds should I go?
If you can get to at least 4th under a load, WOT, 5-6 seconds will probably do it. For a more distinct mark to view, go 10 seconds.

BTW - Do this AFTER the bike is warmed up. Thoroughly warm it up then replace the current plug with a properly gapped plug. Start her up, mosey to where you start your run, make your run. The chop: the throttle closed, clutch pulled in, and motor killed SIMULTANEOUSLY. Coast to a stop, pull the plug and cut the threads away. Don't touch the carbon deposit band and, if you can, take a pic and post it for us. You'll benefit others that will learn how this process works, too!

Another BTW - You don't have to get all the way to 6th; 4th for 10 seconds will be fine. It's not nearly as intimidating (at least for me) to do the chop in 4th rather than at 60-70 MPH!!! :shock:

Good luck, you won't regret it

Posted: 07:33 pm Mar 25 2007
by 2001kdx
Ok, I can probably do something like 5th gear under a load for 5-6 seconds.

How exavctly do you cut the plug apart? Does anyone have a picture of a plug w/ the ring?

Posted: 08:29 pm Mar 25 2007
by scheckaet
put the plug in a vise and cut the metalic part (threads) with a hacksaw