Tore her down tonight...Here is what I found!

Discussion specific to the 1989 - 1994 (E Series) KDX200 model sold in the USA
User avatar
Gotanubike
Supporting Member III
Supporting Member III
Posts: 897
Joined: 01:00 pm May 22 2013
Country:
Location: Ontario, Can

Tore her down tonight...Here is what I found!

Post by Gotanubike »

They were the cheapest and best looking knobies in my royaldistributing.com catalog. I figured what the heck at $57.99 per tire, but I've heard of people picking them up as cheap at $39.99 new.

Here's a look at it installed on the bike. And new chain. Tires are a bitch to install using screwdrivers! But I didnt want to wait until Tuesday to borrow tire spoons :)

Image
1990 KDX200
Bike Profile -> http://www.kdxrider.net/forums/viewtopi ... 61#p136315
Suspension Overhaul(Shock+89-92 conventional forks) -> http://www.kdxrider.net/forums/viewtopi ... 15&t=15255
96'-98' RM125 Showa 49mm fork swap -> http://www.kdxrider.net/forums/viewtopi ... 04&t=16994
KDXrider world map! -> https://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=186158
User avatar
scheckaet
KDXRider.net
KDXRider.net
Posts: 3740
Joined: 12:09 am Nov 10 2005
Country:
Location: edmond oklahoma

Tore her down tonight...Here is what I found!

Post by scheckaet »

Gotanubike wrote:Yup and if you have an E series struggling with stripping powervalves, I have a surprise for you guys in a couple weeks.

I have been in contact with Brock from BDK race engineering and he is going to put together and bushing adapter kit for for the KMX200 valves they machine and sell which are zinc anodized steel and never strip. If it works, he will put up a special listing for 89-94 kdx200 left powervalve kit.

Keep your eyes peeled in a couple weeks I will post a picture tutorial.
If this works out and is not too expensive, i'd think the e series would become a lot more attractive as project bike :supz:

Keep us posted.
User avatar
Gotanubike
Supporting Member III
Supporting Member III
Posts: 897
Joined: 01:00 pm May 22 2013
Country:
Location: Ontario, Can

Tore her down tonight...Here is what I found!

Post by Gotanubike »

He estimated the bushings to be around 10 euros. So with the valves being 39 euros, probably 49 euros or $65($72CAD) roughly for the left powervalve + bushings/spacer collars
1990 KDX200
Bike Profile -> http://www.kdxrider.net/forums/viewtopi ... 61#p136315
Suspension Overhaul(Shock+89-92 conventional forks) -> http://www.kdxrider.net/forums/viewtopi ... 15&t=15255
96'-98' RM125 Showa 49mm fork swap -> http://www.kdxrider.net/forums/viewtopi ... 04&t=16994
KDXrider world map! -> https://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=186158
User avatar
KDXGarage
KDXRider.net
KDXRider.net
Posts: 14636
Joined: 06:45 am Nov 01 2004
Country: United States of America
Location: AL, USA
Has thanked: 2 times
Been thanked: 6 times
Contact:

Re: Tore her down tonight...Here is what I found!

Post by KDXGarage »

Thanks for looking into that.
Thank you for participating on kdxrider.net. :bravo:
To post pictures from a device: viewtopic.php?f=88&t=24128
User avatar
diymirage
Supporting Member II
Supporting Member II
Posts: 2907
Joined: 05:00 pm Sep 19 2011
Country:
Location: michigan

Tore her down tonight...Here is what I found!

Post by diymirage »

Gotanubike wrote:He estimated the bushings to be around 10 euros. So with the valves being 39 euros, probably 49 euros or $65($72CAD) roughly for the left powervalve + bushings/spacer collars
plus $75 shipping
newbbewb wrote:DIYmirage has it right.


-1996 KDX 200 woods weapon (converted to 99 green body)
-1996 KDX 200 plated street toy (barney edition)
-2003 Yamaha TTR125-L (wifeys bike)
-1997 KDX 220 project bike
User avatar
KDXGarage
KDXRider.net
KDXRider.net
Posts: 14636
Joined: 06:45 am Nov 01 2004
Country: United States of America
Location: AL, USA
Has thanked: 2 times
Been thanked: 6 times
Contact:

Tore her down tonight...Here is what I found!

Post by KDXGarage »

diymirage wrote:plus $75 shipping
It is times like these that I am thankful to have help for my 1994 KDX200, in the way of parts bikes - 1991, 1992 and 1994 KDX200's. :rock: :pop:
Thank you for participating on kdxrider.net. :bravo:
To post pictures from a device: viewtopic.php?f=88&t=24128
User avatar
Gotanubike
Supporting Member III
Supporting Member III
Posts: 897
Joined: 01:00 pm May 22 2013
Country:
Location: Ontario, Can

Tore her down tonight...Here is what I found!

Post by Gotanubike »

You so could have sold me a shock then...son of a :razz:

Jk I am good to go
1990 KDX200
Bike Profile -> http://www.kdxrider.net/forums/viewtopi ... 61#p136315
Suspension Overhaul(Shock+89-92 conventional forks) -> http://www.kdxrider.net/forums/viewtopi ... 15&t=15255
96'-98' RM125 Showa 49mm fork swap -> http://www.kdxrider.net/forums/viewtopi ... 04&t=16994
KDXrider world map! -> https://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=186158
newbbewb
Supporting Member II
Supporting Member II
Posts: 579
Joined: 12:20 am Jan 22 2012
Country:
Location: sw washington state

Re: Tore her down tonight...Here is what I found!

Post by newbbewb »

i put a set of those on my klr250. the bike still sucked. kenda makes a decent tire though
93 kdx200-Highly modified
89 kx125/kdx200E engine
Buelldustin@gmail.com
User avatar
Gotanubike
Supporting Member III
Supporting Member III
Posts: 897
Joined: 01:00 pm May 22 2013
Country:
Location: Ontario, Can

Tore her down tonight...Here is what I found!

Post by Gotanubike »

I take it that this isn't exactly what is to be expected after a full top end rebuild. Roughly 2 hours on it :?

Image
Image
Image
Image
1990 KDX200
Bike Profile -> http://www.kdxrider.net/forums/viewtopi ... 61#p136315
Suspension Overhaul(Shock+89-92 conventional forks) -> http://www.kdxrider.net/forums/viewtopi ... 15&t=15255
96'-98' RM125 Showa 49mm fork swap -> http://www.kdxrider.net/forums/viewtopi ... 04&t=16994
KDXrider world map! -> https://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=186158
User avatar
scheckaet
KDXRider.net
KDXRider.net
Posts: 3740
Joined: 12:09 am Nov 10 2005
Country:
Location: edmond oklahoma

Tore her down tonight...Here is what I found!

Post by scheckaet »

:shock:
what the hell happened? seizure? wrong size piston?
sorry to see that man.
User avatar
Julien D
KDXRider.net
KDXRider.net
Posts: 5890
Joined: 07:53 pm Nov 07 2008
Country: USA
Has thanked: 5 times
Been thanked: 10 times
Contact:

Re: Tore her down tonight...Here is what I found!

Post by Julien D »

Might not be so bad. Scotchbrite the cylinder and see how it looks, and check the piston to cylinder clearance and ring end gap.
Image
User avatar
Gotanubike
Supporting Member III
Supporting Member III
Posts: 897
Joined: 01:00 pm May 22 2013
Country:
Location: Ontario, Can

Tore her down tonight...Here is what I found!

Post by Gotanubike »

No seizure. It runs great, I already had the bike half taken apart so I figured why not check the plating.

It is stock bore according to the seller and the receipt. Piston is wiseco, but I heard the piston-to-cylinder clearance is slightly larger on them because they are forged and expand when they get hot

It almost looks like 4 corners seizure but no air leaks and is actually running rich jets atm...

I'm gonna give it a pass. It just looks like the cross hatching wearing down, but wonder why it is wearing down so harshly in some spots. Or the opposite, and those dark strips are where the rings are not contacting the cylinder wall? Possibly some raised areas around the porting that ate the rings.
1990 KDX200
Bike Profile -> http://www.kdxrider.net/forums/viewtopi ... 61#p136315
Suspension Overhaul(Shock+89-92 conventional forks) -> http://www.kdxrider.net/forums/viewtopi ... 15&t=15255
96'-98' RM125 Showa 49mm fork swap -> http://www.kdxrider.net/forums/viewtopi ... 04&t=16994
KDXrider world map! -> https://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=186158
User avatar
scheckaet
KDXRider.net
KDXRider.net
Posts: 3740
Joined: 12:09 am Nov 10 2005
Country:
Location: edmond oklahoma

Tore her down tonight...Here is what I found!

Post by scheckaet »

are you gonna run it like that?
Something is not right, looks like the plating is gone in some spots. or is it piston aluminium deposit?
Could it be too much side to side and up and down play in the crank?
just wondering.
User avatar
Gotanubike
Supporting Member III
Supporting Member III
Posts: 897
Joined: 01:00 pm May 22 2013
Country:
Location: Ontario, Can

Tore her down tonight...Here is what I found!

Post by Gotanubike »

Looks to me more like there is some compression bypass underneath the rings??

The plating was there before I installed it.

There is a bit of side to side play in the piston rod. No up and down, I took note of that when installing the new piston.
1990 KDX200
Bike Profile -> http://www.kdxrider.net/forums/viewtopi ... 61#p136315
Suspension Overhaul(Shock+89-92 conventional forks) -> http://www.kdxrider.net/forums/viewtopi ... 15&t=15255
96'-98' RM125 Showa 49mm fork swap -> http://www.kdxrider.net/forums/viewtopi ... 04&t=16994
KDXrider world map! -> https://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=186158
User avatar
Gotanubike
Supporting Member III
Supporting Member III
Posts: 897
Joined: 01:00 pm May 22 2013
Country:
Location: Ontario, Can

Tore her down tonight...Here is what I found!

Post by Gotanubike »

Tried a once over with some scotch brite and 2 stroke oil. The diamond honing is still there. I guess it's just the rings setting in. Can't feel any scrape or scuff with my fingernail

Image
Image
1990 KDX200
Bike Profile -> http://www.kdxrider.net/forums/viewtopi ... 61#p136315
Suspension Overhaul(Shock+89-92 conventional forks) -> http://www.kdxrider.net/forums/viewtopi ... 15&t=15255
96'-98' RM125 Showa 49mm fork swap -> http://www.kdxrider.net/forums/viewtopi ... 04&t=16994
KDXrider world map! -> https://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=186158
User avatar
adam728
Supporting Member
Posts: 388
Joined: 05:29 am Jul 29 2013
Country:
Location: Michigan

Tore her down tonight...Here is what I found!

Post by adam728 »

Run it.

I have no explanation, but every replated cylinder I've ran shows marks like that around 2-4 hours of run time. Thumpertalk is full of panic'd posts of people seeing the same thing.


Oh yea, and Trekmaster rear, decent tire. Great tire for the price.
Trekmaster front? :doh:

My last front tire that I loved was a Kenda Southwick II. DOT approved as well, I have no idea how. Straight up sand tire that was predictable on everything and lived a long and happy life.
User avatar
fuzzy
KDXRider.net
KDXRider.net
Posts: 3437
Joined: 01:29 pm Jun 18 2003
Country:
Location: Fredneck, MD

Re: Tore her down tonight...Here is what I found!

Post by fuzzy »

Looks like no marks on the pistons at all so I'd ditto what Adam said. Curious, what breakin method did you use, and what breakin method are all of these peeps on TTalk using? Slow or Fast? I break in all my (bike) engines hard. In a kart on a track, I used to be able to feel the ring seat.
'91 KDX 200 Project $300 KDX
'95 KDX 200 Project $600 KDX
'94 WR 250 Always a project
User avatar
Gotanubike
Supporting Member III
Supporting Member III
Posts: 897
Joined: 01:00 pm May 22 2013
Country:
Location: Ontario, Can

Tore her down tonight...Here is what I found!

Post by Gotanubike »

I ride my bike pretty hard but maybe it needs a slightly longer warm-up period because of the aluminum forged piston
1990 KDX200
Bike Profile -> http://www.kdxrider.net/forums/viewtopi ... 61#p136315
Suspension Overhaul(Shock+89-92 conventional forks) -> http://www.kdxrider.net/forums/viewtopi ... 15&t=15255
96'-98' RM125 Showa 49mm fork swap -> http://www.kdxrider.net/forums/viewtopi ... 04&t=16994
KDXrider world map! -> https://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=186158
User avatar
Jaguar
Supporting Member
Posts: 595
Joined: 01:32 am Jul 03 2013
Country: Ecuador
Location: Ecuador
Contact:

Re: Tore her down tonight...Here is what I found!

Post by Jaguar »

It will break-in faster if you don't use synthetic oil till the rings fully seat.
I once threw away a Kenda rear knobby because it was way too slick on hard ground, dangerously so.
I don't remember which model it was.
Performance CDI -- KDX motocross mods -- the SR KDX -- expansion chamber analysis---> http://www.dragonfly75.com/moto/
User avatar
Gotanubike
Supporting Member III
Supporting Member III
Posts: 897
Joined: 01:00 pm May 22 2013
Country:
Location: Ontario, Can

Tore her down tonight...Here is what I found!

Post by Gotanubike »

The Kenda trakmaster rear, I was really impressed with in the mud. My brother and his friend on new bridgestones were getting hung up and flinging mud everywhere, I just took the tough sections nice and slow and had no trouble...

Also the 155/45 jets made a very noticeable difference. Much less hesitation on heavy throttle. Plug colour is looking a little more healthy
Jaguar wrote:It will break-in faster if you don't use synthetic oil till the rings fully seat.
That stuff is too expensive anyways..I run motomaster Formula 1 conventional

Image
1990 KDX200
Bike Profile -> http://www.kdxrider.net/forums/viewtopi ... 61#p136315
Suspension Overhaul(Shock+89-92 conventional forks) -> http://www.kdxrider.net/forums/viewtopi ... 15&t=15255
96'-98' RM125 Showa 49mm fork swap -> http://www.kdxrider.net/forums/viewtopi ... 04&t=16994
KDXrider world map! -> https://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=186158
Post Reply