My KDX200 E2 Rebuild Thread

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My KDX200 E2 Rebuild Thread

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Got my Motorcycle Endorsement in May. Immigrated to the US and got a Full AZ license in June.
My wife kindly let me buy a KDX200 E2 for our anniversary (I know ... crazy lucky huh !).
It runs great, I rode it 12 miles home through Pheonix from the buyers house, it was smoking a LOT but i figured .. Old gas and maybe running too rich. I have wrenched a lot of 2-stroke mopeds and done a lot of porting and such but never a real motorbike.
Here is my rebuild thread. Enjoy. :partyman:
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Strip down

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The KDX200E1 from 1990.
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Stripped Down in the front entrance (it is 110f in Phoenix so nobody is coming to visit anyway.)
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Rad Valve not stock ?

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This is my Rad valve including 2 petal reed but it seems to NOT be the stock one which has 3 petals. Can anyone identify this model ?.

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Quick KIPS Inspection

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How to inspect the KIPS without taking off the head.
1. Took off the small grey side panel, on the clutch side. The bolt on the shaft to the Gearbox is LEFT handed, opposite than normal.

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2. It exposes the KIPS actuator, this is the part that gets moved outwards when the bike reaches 6000RPM in order to open the valves more. You could probably check the action of this by just revving the bike.
I already took off the carb and such though so I did it by hand to inspect through the Exhaust port.
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Small video now, you can see my KIPS valves look quite clean, I inspected the cyclinder head form the carb side and decided that I an not going to remove the head or KIPS to clean them for now. To record this I just pulled in and out on the actuator.

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Re: My KDX200 E2 Rebuild Thread

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The reeds that you have are Boyesen. That is actually the whole rad valve assembly there.
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My KDX200 E2 Rebuild Thread

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Decent looking E-2(1990). Good place to start...what pipe?

I might be wrong, it's been a while since I've done KIPS but that side valve looks to be off time slightly. At full open there should be no "barrel" section exposed, as it's blocking half the port
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Re: My KDX200 E2 Rebuild Thread

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@gotanubike: Pipe is FMF Gold.
I am going to have to inspect the KIPS more now because of your comment. :neutral:

Undid the fork rubbers and it looks oily on the top of the fork seals so I guess I will do those too to stop my new rubbers from deteriorating like the ones you see.
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Re: My KDX200 E2 Rebuild Thread

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Eeek. Took the forks off today.
Now I had a better view up the exhaust orifice, it appears one KIPS valve (magneto side) does not move at all, I fear it is broken.
Will take off the cylinder head now then, I already have a Moose Top-End gasket kit on the way from lytleracing. :cry: :cry: :cry:
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Re: My KDX200 E2 Rebuild Thread

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not bad for a 26 year old dirt bike !

what's that up on the bars, looks like an aftermarket speedometer or something ?

very nice really, hope you can get the KIPS sorted out and enjoy the bike. they sure are a lot of fun :)
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Re: My KDX200 E2 Rebuild Thread

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Well ... the magneto side kips valve is certainly broken, the top nipple is off. Ordered a new one.

That black box is the original Trip Counter, Odo, it only shows the total miles and the current trip, no speed or tacho. It was not working because the cable is all seized up, had to order a new one of those too.
Notarized Title came in the post today, not sure if I need emissions here in AZ but it should be street legal once I register it, last emission test sheet is from 2012.
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Sad KIPS :(

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This is the what the most common E series KIPS failure looks like, Left side Cog had a broken nipple and the teeth are worn down by the actuator rod. The rest of my parts look ok, still have to take off the cylinder to get at the center exhaust valve (not able to remove with engine still in frame).

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Did you find the thread on steel KIPS valves replacements that just came out a a couple months ago?
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Suspension Overhaul(Shock+89-92 conventional forks) -> http://www.kdxrider.net/forums/viewtopi ... 15&t=15255
96'-98' RM125 Showa 49mm fork swap -> http://www.kdxrider.net/forums/viewtopi ... 04&t=16994
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My KDX200 E2 Rebuild Thread

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Gotanubike wrote:Did you find the thread on steel KIPS valves replacements that just came out a a couple months ago?
Do you have the link for that thread I missed that.
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Re: My KDX200 E2 Rebuild Thread

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E series section, 5th post down
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Bike Profile -> http://www.kdxrider.net/forums/viewtopi ... 61#p136315
Suspension Overhaul(Shock+89-92 conventional forks) -> http://www.kdxrider.net/forums/viewtopi ... 15&t=15255
96'-98' RM125 Showa 49mm fork swap -> http://www.kdxrider.net/forums/viewtopi ... 04&t=16994
KDXrider world map! -> https://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=186158
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Re: My KDX200 E2 Rebuild Thread

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- Put all the KIPS in a ½ gallon of old Pre-Mix for two days in a pyrex jug
- used Oven Cleaner and stainless steel brushes to clean the parts up
- used #0000 steel wool to polish the surfaces up a bit
Here is a pic of the whole old set, I bought a new set of the main gears in steel from BDK. Arrived in the US 2 days after shipping from the UK, super fast. Next to clean up the actual head and put it all back to gather using top-end gasket set from Moose Racing.

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Are you replacing the shaft as well? I see a lot of wear in that (probably caused by the kips gear snapping?).
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My KDX200 E2 Rebuild Thread

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Looks good, got them cleaned up nice! You can never tell what you have in there until you tear the top end off.
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The new KIPS

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Here are the new KIPS vales from BDK next to the old ones.

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The cylinder is soaking in old pre-mix Fuel now ready to be cleaned and put back on.
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Funny Story

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So, I rebuilt the top-end using the above new valves, new gasket set from MooseRacing and a couple of other new bits. The bike is back together, repacked the muffler and generally did a clean and replaced anything that was seriously broken.
I didn't do a full restoration as that was not my goal, just a technical strip down and rebuild. Bike started right up on the first kick, rununununun nun runnnrunrnnnn. Sounds great.

Here comes the Funny part of the Story.
Front brake was fine before I stripped the bike, little spongy. After putting it back together it was totally soft, my brother-in-law and I tried bleeding it, tried pumping it, did all the methods in the Service Manual. Nothing. I could not get any pressure.
Left it for a day in the garage, zipped the handle closed. Flushed the whole system again, clean DOT3. Still nothing.

Got a flashlight, checked the brake pads, looked a bit strange, took off the caliper, repositioned the brake pads and put a screwdriver between them, puller the trigger and we have pressure !!!!.
So I had just messed up putting the inside brake pad in, the one that does not run on the bolts, it was not sitting right so the Caliper was not working.

Ready to ride, and most of all, got to do some PICTURES for you guys, sorry about that.
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Re: My KDX200 E2 Rebuild Thread

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Nice thread mate & thanks for the great photos, gives me the confidence to work on mine.
Look forward to more on how you progress.
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