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Re: HopFrog's 1980 KDX175 Build Log
Posted: 12:04 am Feb 16 2021
by KDXGarage
and prudently!! That's pretty much how I ride. :-)
Looking good!
Re: HopFrog's 1980 KDX175 Build Log
Posted: 02:32 am Feb 22 2021
by KDXGarage
If you take the bearings out, throw them out. Replace with new, even if they feel like they are still good.
On that drum, get one of those three spring rectangular brake hone things. It is kind of like a drill bit with three grinding stones.
DO NOT grind those old shoes, as they may have asbestos. I worked on a buddy's 1983 QT50, and it had asbestos shoes.
Re: HopFrog's 1980 KDX175 Build Log
Posted: 02:56 am Feb 23 2021
by HopFrog175
^^^
Thanks, KDXGarage - new bearings and shoes are definitely called for!
KDX175 Wheel Bearing Details
I pulled the wheel bearings out and checked my replacement options - here is what I found.
Quick list
Feb 22, 2021
OPTION 1
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Complete set, front
source - AllBallsRacing.com - $15.63
https://www.allballsracing.com/25-1184.html
Complete set, rear
source - AllBallsRacing.com - $21.05
https://www.allballsracing.com/25-1055.html
total for AllBallsRAcing - $36.68
OPTION 2
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Individual Bearings
(priced each) Timken
Part numbers from
------------------------------ Part- Kawasaki Quality
Size Kawasaki General Timken* # Description zilla Parts House Bearing
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12x32x10mm 601B6201U 6201 6201-ZZ 1 front, right $14.77 $12.10 $10.28
12x37x12mm 601B6301U 6301 6301-ZZC3 1 front, left $24.36 $24.95 $12.34
17x35x10mm 601B6003U 6003 6003-ZZC3 2 rear, right $17.51 $15.06 $11.64
20x42x12mm 601B6004UU 6004 6004-ZZ 1 rear, left $28.82 $24.40 $12.46
*"Timken Deep Groove Radial Ball Bearings, metal seals"
totals for 5 bearings (2 front, 3 rear) $97.97 $91.57 $58.36
Links:
Front, right bearing sources
https://www.partzilla.com/product/kawasaki/601B6201U?ref=3daa646d82577d02df0fb282496cff05f2d980b4
https://www.kawasakipartshouse.com/oemparts/partsearch/kawasaki?partsearch=601b6201u
https://www.qualitybearingsonline.com/6201zz-timken-deep-groove-radial-ball-bearings-12x32x10mm/
Front, left bearing sources
https://www.partzilla.com/product/kawasaki/601B6301U?ref=3daa646d82577d02df0fb282496cff05f2d980b4
https://www.kawasakipartshouse.com/oemparts/partsearch/kawasaki?partsearch=601b6301u
https://www.qualitybearingsonline.com/6301-zzc3-timken-deep-groove-radial-ball-bearings-12x37x12mm/
Rear, right bearing sources (2 bearings are required on the rear, right)
https://www.partzilla.com/product/kawasaki/601B6003U?ref=4d0b3f8b45d0c2135bba168cdf427e53d8deda86
https://www.kawasakipartshouse.com/oemparts/partsearch/kawasaki?partsearch=601b6003u
https://www.qualitybearingsonline.com/6003zzc3-timken-deep-groove-radial-ball-bearings-17x35x10mm/
Rear, left sources
https://www.partzilla.com/product/kawasaki/601B6004UU?ref=4d0b3f8b45d0c2135bba168cdf427e53d8deda86
https://www.kawasakipartshouse.com/oemparts/partsearch/kawasaki?partsearch=601b6004uu
https://www.qualitybearingsonline.com/6004zz-timken-deep-groove-radial-ball-bearings-20x42x12mm/
When I checked, AllBallsRacing was out of stock for the kdx175 and that was when I searched out the options listed above. I figured an extra $20 was worth it for Timkens and the order went out.

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Re: HopFrog's 1980 KDX175 Build Log
Posted: 04:22 am Feb 23 2021
by KDXGarage
I raise my beer to you, sir. Shopping well done.
Get a new circlip for the rear.
Re: HopFrog's 1980 KDX175 Build Log
Posted: 01:32 am Feb 24 2021
by HopFrog175
KDXGarage wrote: 04:22 am Feb 23 2021
I raise my beer to you, sir. Shopping well done.
Get a new circlip for the rear.
Excellent suggestion on the circlip, thanks, I was totally overlooking!
Re: HopFrog's 1980 KDX175 Build Log
Posted: 02:18 am Feb 24 2021
by HopFrog175
More progress to update, nothing exciting as I am still on the wheels, bearings and brakes.
Front wheel bearing removal
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I had already knocked out the front/rear wheel bearings and ordered Timkens so figured it was time to slip off the 30-year old tire carcasses. Hah, what a aggravation, the tires had shrunk and were rigid as stone
In retrospect, I should have cut them off but, at the time, I just kept levering. They eventually came off and I am hoping I did not bend anything (like the rim).
Removing the 30-yr old rear tire

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After letting some Kroil soak in, I checked over the spokes. Mostly straight with a couple of rusty ones. Good news in that I was able to get all of the spoke nipples to turn
More rust removal needed

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Each spoke nipple turned!

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Once I get the new wheel bearings installed, I can break out the dial indicator and true 'em up. I think the rear is ok (it was never run) but the front is unknown. It looks ok, as I recall, but, worst case, I could be doing some lacing.
At this point, I am starting to think about Tires. Everyone I talk to and every post I read has a different opinion - what to do? What little dirt experience I have is out of date and I do not even recognize half of the tire brands
I'm in the SoCal area so expect to be mostly on dry, hard packed with some rockiness. Probably places from San Diego to Mojave.
Then, I saw Tubeliss - tubeless on a spoked rim. Sounds great and the vids, while mixed a bit, mostly look good. You gotta have decent tires, so now I am thinking Tubeliss with some grippy tires.
I am seeking tire suggestions and will read up some more, then make a list of candidates - any advice is welcomed!

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Re: HopFrog's 1980 KDX175 Build Log
Posted: 04:37 am Feb 24 2021
by KDXGarage
Sir, step away from the adjustable wrench. YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS!! :-)
Please get a spoke wrench.
Nice cart and casters to the left!
Congratulation on getting all the nipples to turn.
I have a 1993 KX125 somewhere around here. Using a green Scotch-Brite pad on the spokes worked great. I was quite surprised.
I am digging that Sun rim.
If you don't go Tubliss, I suggest a couple of runs of duct tape around the rim to keep the water out (after they are perfectly trued of course). This is vs. a normal rim strip.
Re: HopFrog's 1980 KDX175 Build Log
Posted: 06:53 am Feb 24 2021
by Goofaroo
If you’re gonna ride mostly hard pack and rocks you don’t necessarily need knobbies. A dualsport tire would last longer, grip better, and ride smoother. I tried a few tires when I started going on adventure rides. I settled on Shinko 700s and have never looked back. Everything is always a trade off but if I knew that a majority of my trail riding would be on hard pack and rocks I would use them on my dirt bikes. They’re all I use on my KLR250 and KLR650.
Here’s a link just as an example. They can generally be had for around $100 for both tires.
https://www.motosport.com/product/?cc=u ... -X001-Y001
Re: HopFrog's 1980 KDX175 Build Log
Posted: 03:32 am Feb 25 2021
by HopFrog175
Thanks for the feedback, good point on the spoke wrench! My old spoke torque wrench wandered off somewhere, I will have to put a new one one the get-now list.
Tires are still up in the air and Goofaroo, you gave something new to consider, thx. Next step is to look up some old pals who are dirt bike riders and get some recommended riding areas and decide knobbies or dualsport. I will have to figure out stickers too.
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Progress-wise, the front brakes are ready and the drums are half-way done.
Cleaned up front brakes
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Front brakes
Brakes together. (Don't worry, I got that spring all the way in after the taking the photo :-)

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Cleaned up the odometer drive

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Greased and ready

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Odometer drive is ready but ... no odometer, it was missing when I got the bike. I am keeping an eye out for one that's working and can always figure a way to go digital if I end up really needing something.
And, finally, after finding the drum measured within tolerance, I spent some time spinning and sanding. This takes a while but almost there
(I wasn't able to find the 3-legged hone mentioned earlier)
De-rusting the brakes

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Re: HopFrog's 1980 KDX175 Build Log
Posted: 05:40 am Feb 25 2021
by KDXGarage
Man. You just keep showing out.
It is nice to see such parts without a decade or more of brake dust caked up everywhere.
I may be remembering this wrong, but did you put a little dab of grease where the springs contact the shoes and where the shoes contact the cam and pivot? Are we supposed to do that??
I broke out the Clymer manual for 82 - 91 KX125 / KX250 and some KX500's. They said grease the cam flat part and pivot, but didn't say anything about the spring ends. I am at halfway remembering things at least.
I do like the homemade lathe and brake drum turning machine.

Here's a link to one I have and used on a Yamahopper QT50. I guess it would need to be a bigger one to work on a big bike.
https://www.lislecorp.com/specialty-too ... brake-hone
Re: HopFrog's 1980 KDX175 Build Log
Posted: 03:31 am Feb 27 2021
by HopFrog175
Wheel progress continues with the new Timkens installed and brake drums cleaned up as much as I can do by hand, I think that they will be ok although the rear still has a bit of visible pitting (you can see it but can't feel it).
Rear wheel bearings installed
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Here is a close up of the pitting - if I get any pulsation, I will have to pull it apart and either get it turned or get a replacement hub. Of course, if I have to pull it back apart, it could also be a good excuse for swapping in an aluminum swing arm ,,, 
Rear drum with some pitting

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On to a rim runout check on the rear. Not too bad (considering my wrestling match to get the 30-yr old rear tire off):
Rear radial runout check

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Rear axial runout check

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- Radial - 0.006" (0.080" max)
- Axial - 0.022" (0.120" max)
I might tweak it just a hair (once I get that spoke wrench) in one spot where it twitches out. The front remain to be seen. I am also waiting on new hub circlips (thx KDXGarage) and the torque link needle bearing, so, all that's left is sanding the brake shoes to fit a little better. Then on the front wheel.
Any down time waiting for parts will give me time to do some more reading on tires. Plus, before too long (summer?) I need to round up some dirt gear

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Re: HopFrog's 1980 KDX175 Build Log
Posted: 06:36 am Feb 27 2021
by KDXGarage
As usual, great work!
Check the rear sprocket for warp while you are back there on that rim.
Don't be afraid to check it again after a ride or two in case the spokes set in a touch.
Get a clip on that odo drive, too. :-)
On gear, don't be afraid to spend the money. YOU ARE WORTH IT!
In order:
helmet, goggles, boots, other stuff
Re: HopFrog's 1980 KDX175 Build Log
Posted: 12:12 am Mar 01 2021
by HopFrog175
Wow, I took a close look at the front rim and it is actually pretty bad
One good dent and wobbly all over the place, way past spec. I see that some un-dent rims with a big crescent wrench. I am thinking of trying Tubeliss, tho, and would hate to find them unable to seal on a beater rim.
Plus, with a good rear rim already in place, I hate to have a bad front. The rear is a Sun that I got new last century when I bought the bike. It did not occur to me until after I started researching replacement front rims but - Sun rims are still available
Even better, when I saw that the manufacturer (Buchanan's) is in Azusa, just an hour's drive, it became clear that the front rim should match the rear rim. I will have to make a trip out there sometime in March.
I've got plenty else I can do before finishing the wheels/tires, forks next I guess, then engine seals.

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Re: HopFrog's 1980 KDX175 Build Log
Posted: 06:10 am Mar 01 2021
by KDXGarage
WOW! Congratulations on just being an hour away from them.
A matching set of rims would be nice.
Re: HopFrog's 1980 KDX175 Build Log
Posted: 09:15 am Mar 10 2021
by KDXGarage
Great job. Thanks for the pics and details. The hub does look good on the shoe surface.
Re: HopFrog's 1980 KDX175 Build Log
Posted: 04:17 pm Mar 10 2021
by Molly's 70
I have enjoyed the progress. Great Job!