Kdx220sr differences

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kdxdazz wrote: 08:03 pm Jan 07 2025
KDXGarage wrote: 02:26 am Jan 07 2025 kdxdazz, can you please measure from the center of the swingarm pivot bolt to the little round peg at the back where the snail cam adjuster rests against? If I remember correctly, the SR swingarm was reprted as being shorter by someone years ago.
520mm centre to centre, I'd be very surprised if it was different as that would change the leverage on the rear shock

520mm is the same measurement I get on my '99 KDX220R/KDX220A-3 from the swingarm pivot bolt to the center of the snail cam chain adjuster peg, if that is what you are measuring.

I will again try to get that jauce.com site to function properly and attempt to obtain the 220 SR swingarm from Japan. No 220SR gearboxes appear to be available on that site at present, but I wouldn't mind having one of those if they do pop up. In the meantime there are plenty of E-Series gearboxes on eBay as those are being parted out frequently these days, and I have been told they are 100% drop in replacement into an H series or 220, with all but two gears being the same, and both shafts being the same. I did note a bit of where on my splines on the output shaft sprocket interface which had me a bit concerned.
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The http://auctions.yahoo.com.jp auction site has a banner directly linking for international buyers to click the link to proceed to http://buyee.jp although just doing an internet search for Yahoo auctions Japan english, Jauce, Buyee, Shopee(?), OneMall, and several other results pop up.

I've got a bid in on a 220 SR swingarm now so that I won't have to have my friend TIG weld the holes shut for the kickstand mounting bolts and then have me Mill and sand down the exterior to get rid of that big mounting pad. One of these days I will learn to TIG aluminum, but not this winter unfortunately.

If that goes well, I see several Kawasaki Zephyr ZR400 swingarms that would go good on my 1977 Suzuki GS400 frame! Only the 550, 750, and 1100 came to the USA in that model, not the smaller frame/swing arm/engine version...

I'm not sure what to expect on the shipping but the swing arm will probably only cost me $30 plus packing fees plus international shipping. If I get it for less than $165, I'll consider it a big success.
'97 KDX220R - purple/green! - KLX forks, Lectron, FMF, Tubliss
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Chuck78 wrote: 06:25 pm Jan 09 2025 The http://auctions.yahoo.com.jp auction site has a banner directly linking for international buyers to click the link to proceed to http://buyee.jp although just doing an internet search for Yahoo auctions Japan english, Jauce, Buyee, Shopee(?), OneMall, and several other results pop up.

I've got a bid in on a 220 SR swingarm now so that I won't have to have my friend TIG weld the holes shut for the kickstand mounting bolts and then have me Mill and sand down the exterior to get rid of that big mounting pad. One of these days I will learn to TIG aluminum, but not this winter unfortunately.

If that goes well, I see several Kawasaki Zephyr ZR400 swingarms that would go good on my 1977 Suzuki GS400 frame! Only the 550, 750, and 1100 came to the USA in that model, not the smaller frame/swing arm/engine version...

I'm not sure what to expect on the shipping but the swing arm will probably only cost me $30 plus packing fees plus international shipping. If I get it for less than $165, I'll consider it a big success.
Good tip on the other sites, I heard the US dollars is strong against the Japanese yen these days, there's a few SR cylinder heads on there for cheap if anybody is chasing extra low down torque, the one I bought even came with a thermostat and those things aren't cheap, shipping is not cheap from memory

On another note will have the first batch of replacement emulsion tubes for the PWK available next week, will offer them for sale in here first as soon as I know postage costs to the US
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Well, I won the auction for the 220SR swingarm, $25.18!!! I believe I will have to pay them an $80 fee for receiving, processing, and reshipping internationally, plus shipping from the seller to the third party auction agent. I can probably get it for $160 total.

The 220 SR head that I was looking at is $50 already with several bids, I don't know if it's going to be quite worth it on that although the shipping fees etc will be a lot cheaper on a second or third item. Still looking at a Kawasaki a Zephyr 400 aluminum swingarm for a street bike project as well, they were not available in the smaller sizes in the USA, only 550 750 and 1100. Japan has all kinds of cool stuff for the 400cc 4-stroke street bikes...
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Ain't that something, Chuck?! It'll be fun when the package from the Land of Rising Sun is received.
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Chuck78 wrote: 09:03 am Jan 14 2025 Well, I won the auction for the 220SR swingarm, $25.18!!! I believe I will have to pay them an $80 fee for receiving, processing, and reshipping internationally, plus shipping from the seller to the third party auction agent. I can probably get it for $160 total.

Well... The verdict is in, & I was pretty close to being on the money 💰

My 220SR swingarm has been received at the http://buyee.jp warehouse, and handling/shipping total fees to my door are:


US$136.02 (20,210 yen)
+
$25.18 (the auction purchase price).
= $161.20



$161.20 total for a swingarm without the welded on threaded lug for the klunky non-enduro type factory kickstand, not bad!
Having those holes TIG welded shut by a friend for a case of beer + many hours grinding and milling that thing off and smoothing out the swingarm to make it look as if it never existed I'd say is worth that cost!

I'll still very likely be stripping + wet sanding+ polishing + clear coating this swingarm, + adhesive-backed clear 3M heavy duty vinyl protective film on the outer exposed surfaces... As well as drilling the underside for small M5 (M6?) grease zerk fittings like I've done my '97 220R's swingarm...

Now... Kawasaki Zephyr 400 swingarm or KDX220SR head... I only have less than 30 days to pay for this 3rd party shipping/services fee, so I'd better decide quickly!
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Well... After browsing a bunch of 220B/220SR heads on http://auctions.yahoo.co.jp, I used http://buyee.jp to buy a $53.24 KDX220SR head after noticing that the squish band clearance height on the SR heads is much tighter than the US 220R (220A-4+) models, as well as of course the squish band width being wider, not to mention the dome cc volume may likely be smaller on this - yielding higher compression ratio as well as more torque and throttle response.
I almost went for a head that was externally corroded and dirty - for only $14, but after seeing in all the auctions that the squish clearance was tighter on the SR, & seeing the video from KDXdazz, I decided to go for a nice clean one for the average yahoo.co.jp auction price of low-$50 range...

Now, the suspense! They advertise "buy multiple items and save considerably on shipping!" - but how much additional is this going to run in service fees + shipping to buyee's warehouse in Japan + shipping to the USA...?
Hopefully it'll be in the $60 range for $110 total on this experiment, as that's about the cheapest 220R head in the USA on eBay at the moment.

If it's quite affordable, I'll snatch up the cosmetically corroded one as well perhaps! I think the service fees may be $80 though minimum? We'll see.
Heck, the 220SR heads look to be a better basis to machine into the RB profile than the standard 220R heads, as they don't need milled as much, nor as much taken out of the chamber - leaving a thicker casting which will promote better heat transfer....
I think that plus some porting cleanup and some very basic port alterations might work extremely well with the Pro Circuit pipe snd 90 Octane (USA ratings) non ethanol or a little toluene or VP Octane Booster added.

The 220R head is probably best for a modified 200 big bore cylinder as the best KDX configuration as far as my knowledge so far leads me to believe (from veteran pro porting gurus) is to not mill the head much at all but rather shave the base of the cylinder about the same amount (just a few hairs) to lower the transfer port height as it's a bit unconventional. This toghtens up the squish clearance so the 220R head on a 69mm overbored 200 cylinder won't need much heas work at all to perform amazingly. RB heads have only slightly different squish band width vs stock 220 heads, but a nice crisp transition to the dome which is preferred, and most importantly a tighter piston to head squish clearance.
If not turning down the cylinder base slightly, the SR head is a no brainer as it'd be a lot thicker / more metal mass left for heat transfer. The factory 220 cylinders may or may not be as good of a candidate to turn down the base, as ALL the ports are already lower, but I'll have to see what Ted Boyko says when I ship him off a 220 cylinder at some point soon. He's done some incredible work on my friend Sebastien's 200 cylinder including extensive porting & turning down the cylinder base gasket surface to lower the transfer ports as well as all the ports, and only slight head work, making more power than most 250 2-strokes now with Pro Circuit Platinum 2 pipe, Lectron Billetron Pro Series carb, & aftermarket reeds...
The 220SR head will surely be a torquey addition, but I think with the Pro Circuit Platinum 2 pipe, it will really deliver. I'll probably get 2 or even 3 if I can dig up more good deals, as they'll lend well to making something closer to an RB head but with less machining and as I said, more metal left on the head casting...or I may just find they're awesome as stock with the Pro Circuit Platinum 2 pipe and Lectron Billetron Pro Series + Boyesen RAD Valve...

After the items have arrived to their warehouse, you can apply for "package consolidation" to save on shipping by packaging as one shipment... I think a couple KDX heads could be bundled into the box with the swingarm without incurring much more package size and weight, may as well!
https://buyee.jp/help/yahoo/guide/consolidate/flow
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'99 KDX220R project - '98/'01 RM125 suspension, Titanium hardware, Lectron Billetron Pro, Tubliss
'77 Suzuki PE250 & '83 Suzuki PE175 Full Floater - restomod projects
'77 Suzuki GS750-844cc, '77 GS400/489cc & '77 GS550/740cc projects
'62 GMC 1000 Panel Truck
'88 Suzuki Samurai TDI/Toyota swaps
'88 Toyota 4x4 pickup
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Let us know shipping prices please, you guys in the US have a strong dollar so buying from Japan is a better deal than Australia
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