Pro Circuit Platinum 2 for 1995+ KDX is NOT discontinued!

[Chuck78]

If it helps, I'll add my name to the list.
I would like to try the PC pipe with their 296.

You'll have to call or email them and request to be added.

The Type 296 is definitely higher quality then the FMF Turbine Core 2, but the FMF is still nice quality. The Pro Circuit is just more rugged and will resist bending, better construction overall.

The Platinum 2 Pipe offers more bottom e
end power than the FMF Gnarly Desert, without cutting much if any top end power out of the equation. I just picked up a second mangled Pro Circuit Platinum 2 pipe, and hope to straighten out that and the other mangled Platinum 2 that I have, but STILL looking to buy a new one or two of them.

[Trackdog]

If it helps, I'll add my name to the list.
I would like to try the PC pipe with their 296.

You'll have to call or email them and request to be added.

The Type 296 is definitely higher quality then the FMF Turbine Core 2, but the FMF is still nice quality. The Pro Circuit is just more rugged and will resist bending, better construction overall.

The Platinum 2 Pipe offers more bottom and power than the FMF Gnarly Desert, without cutting much if any top end power out of the equation. I just picked up a second mangled Pro Circuit Platinum 2 pipe, and hope to straighten out that and the other mangled Platinum 2 that I have, but STILL looking to buy a new one or two of them.

Placed my name on the "back order list" for a Platinum 2 and type 296....

Wondering if there are any other sites we could generate more interest to move up a the production date.
Have you posted on site like Vital MX or Thumpertalk? Maybe start an official list

[Chuck78]

If it helps, I'll add my name to the list.
I would like to try the PC pipe with their 296.

You'll have to call or email them and request to be added.

The Type 296 is definitely higher quality then the FMF Turbine Core 2, but the FMF is still nice quality. The Pro Circuit is just more rugged and will resist bending, better construction overall.

The Platinum 2 Pipe offers more bottom and power than the FMF Gnarly Desert, without cutting much if any top end power out of the equation. I just picked up a second mangled Pro Circuit Platinum 2 pipe, and hope to straighten out that and the other mangled Platinum 2 that I have, but STILL looking to buy a new one or two of them.

Placed my name on the "back order list" for a Platinum 2 and type 296....

Wondering if there are any other sites we could generate more interest to move up a the production date.
Have you posted on site like Vital MX or Thumpertalk? Maybe start an official list

That's a good idea

I'm in like 7 different KDX groups on social media, I could post there as well. I did in at least 2 already 8+ months ago.

I had great response asking how many people would buy purple '95-'06 KDX shrouds if we got a UFO group purchase together to make a special order batch (minimum quantity 70). I haven't proceeded yet as they require one lump sum purchase, and one or maybe 3 shipments. They didn't want to accept individual payments because they would have to create an updated page on their website for such a thing, and didn't want to have to individually fulfill 55 or more orders in my non-existent free time...

[Trackdog]

1.Trackdog - Pro Circuit Platinum 2 pipe and Type 296 - back ordered by direct phone call 12/4/23

[Chuck78]

Well...
I trashed another Gnarly Desert pipe on my 220 when asking my buddy to take me to the most gnarly rock sections at the legendary Wellsville trails where a lot of pros ride and train for the TKO races...

Crunch time for the next ride, I threw on a brand new FMF Gnarly Woods pipe without time for doing any carburetor tuning or any other accommodations to my KDX220.

I was impressed by the low end torque increase over the Gnarly Desert pipe to be quite clear. It wasn't a massive massive difference, but it definitely made more low and mid-range torque.
The Gnarly Desert had a bit more power on the top end (but not much higher RPM capabilities at all), but that is definitely partly due to the fact that I was now ABSOLUTELY running too rich at higher RPMs after the pipe change. Usually in these late season temperatures (48°-52°F) I'm running borderline too lean with a Gnarly Desert pipe with my current settings on the Lectron. I should have dialed down the power jet on the Lectron carb for less fueling at the upper throttle positions, but I was having too much fun to stop and tune.



In other news, the shop owner who I just bought a used PURPLE IMS oversized tank and shrouds from, he told me that allegedly Pro Circuit will have some Platinum 2 KDX pipes in by the end of January.... I've seen other online sellers estimate and availability date on their websites. I'm going to call Pro Circuit and ask now.

[Chuck78]

AWESOME NEWS!!!!!!

I just talked to Justin at Pro Circuit, and he confirmed that they ARE making a batch due in January! They've got 36 that are already requested by us KDX owners, and they're making a batch of 50 pipes!!!!

[Chuck78]

Also in other awesome news, Hyde Racing has 17 of their skid plates / pipe guard combos back in stock, and one just arrived to me last week!

I was a bit sad to see that it wouldn't really fit with the Gnarly Woods pipe (Gnarly Woods is longer and more flat across the bottom, making more of a sharp bend where it curves up on the right side of the bike from the bottom), but I realized the standard Hyde Racing skid plate fits (installs) BETTER with the Gnarly Woods vs the Gnarly Desert Pipe! Installing that lower front exhaust mount that slides through a hole in the skid plate is a pain on the Desert Pipe+ Hyde standard skid plate.
The Pipe Guard Skid Plate combo doesn't have to deal with that front mount because the skid plate extends to the front of the pipe without the mount having to go through it.

And also....

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I stumbled on this picture of a Hard Enduro racer's H-series with the Pro Circuit Platinum 2 pipe AND the Hyde Racing Skid Plate Pipe Guard Combo, which is advertised as exclusively only fitting the FMF gnarly desert pipe. Well it looks like it fits the pro circuit pipe good enough for my tastes, and I might be able to heat it up and clamp it to get it to conform perfectly in the middle section where it stands off of the pro circuit pipe slightly.

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I think I'm going to make a frame standoff brace for use in conjunction with this pipe guard and pro circuit pipe so I don't ever bend a pipe again. They get so bent up more than they get dented, I use the clamp on pipe guards from Tusk or Polisport. I really like the Polisport Armadillo but neither of them keeps from bending the pipe, they only prevent most dents & dings

[Chuck78]

From elsewhere on KDXRider.net:

I do know that the mods with the PC Plat. II on the '03 KDX220 were a vast improvement in overrev and overall power characteristics. I'm betting that it would have been even better with the FMF Rev (Desert) pipe.

As many know, I bought Robb's (quailchaser's) KDX220R (modded carb, squish and Boyesen reeds-- I put in VF3 reeds). QC had been kicking himself for putting a torque pipe on it instead of the rev pipe. Everyone told him it was the wrong way to go. But my tests yesterday paint a different picture. Robb got it right the first time with the torque pipe in my opinion.

http://kdxrider.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4387

The torque pipe on the 220 increases the low to mid-range torque over my new FMF Gnarly Desert rev pipe. The rev pipe increase the revs by 1,000 RPM or more in the lower gears, but it's ability to pull those revs in the upper gears falls so short that it barely equals the torque pipe in top speed (70mph at 100F, 13/50 sprockets).

The trade off of torque for revs is unlikeley to be worth it in the tight single track that I mostly ride.

Rick

And some more:

Given your (krazyinski's) comparison between the FMF rev pipe being better than the FMF torque pipe and my comparison with the PC torque pipe and the FMF rev pipe, it appears that the PC Plat II is one heck of a pipe. It matches the FMF rev in the upper gears and beats both FMF pipes in the low end.

Rick

To be honest I think a wider ranging ignition advance curve is every bit as critical if not more than the selection of one of these three pipes. But I definitely think the pro circuit with an SS109 or Jaguar CDI, or perhaps an aftermarket PeakRPM CDI from RM Stator/Race Tech Electrics will really be the biggest boost to give both more low-end and more high-end power. The stock KDX CDI cuts the RPMs short by not retarding the timing at higher RPMs as any high revving 2-stroke would need. This gives the owner the choice of engine traits between physically rotating the stator plate one direction or the other. All the way clockwise takes away anything resembling low end torque on a 200 - making it ride like a 125 and stalling out on steep first gear hill climbs. All the way counterclockwise gives a 200 *almost adequate* low end torque (from a 220 owner's perspective), probably close to a stock 220, but DEFINITELY limits the high RPM rev out to the point where you really feel like you're missing out on one or the other pretty severely.

I've tested this with both the Pro Circuit Platinum 2 on a 200 H-series as well as the Gnarly Woods on a 200 H-series. Both owners really wish their 200's rode like my 220. More torque AND more rev out than their 200's... That was with my '97 220 set up with a Ron Black head, Gnarly Desert pipe, VForce3, and Lectron Power Jet 34mm, stock CDI set to just a hair or two above the middle mark as to not cut the high RPM rev out too substantially.



I'm really eager to build up both of my 220's this winter some more (the 99 cylinder and frank seals are worn out, it's mostly stock as-is), Pro Circuit Platinum 2 pipes will be awesome to finally get, & start doing up my own cylinder heads like Ron Black did so that I can do one for a 70mm "225" (223.2cc) ported cylinder that I picked up.
Also eager to compare a PeakRPM KDX CDI vs stock vs Jaguar's, or get Kelly to make some more WildAzz Racing KDX CDI's...
+ my 98 RM125 forks + '01-'04 RM125 shocks, & 1 of the two bikes being the lucky recipient of a small fortune worth of titanium hardware in nearly every place I could get on this bike. That plus the KLX300R 117mm suspension links in aluminum versus the 112.5mm KDX steel dog bone links / pull rods, in order to lower the significantly taller RM shocks by 22mm ride height, + Trail Tech billet aluminum kickstand, & my Tubliss setups... With all that said, I'm hoping that my weight savings will total well over 13+ lbs.
So far about 30% of the titanium parts that I ordered which I've got in hand so far come in at 2.875lbs, a weight savings of 2.38lbs over steel... + RCS Titanium 4.9kg Showa 50mm shock spring @ 2.0lbs vs a 4.8kg '98 RM250 Showa 50mm steel spring @ 3.02lbs... that's already probably 6.5lbs weigh savings with the Trail Tech kickstand and figuring in a guesstimation on weight of tubeless versus standard heavy duty tubes (not standard or ultra heavy duty inner tubes).
Motoz Arena Hybrid Gummy for wet or loamy singletrack conditions or Motoz Extreme Hybrid Gummy for dry conditions will work out to be about the best tire I can get in a medium carcass as to not have an ultra heavy tire, although I may splurge for a 120/100-18 Shinko 520DC again. Excellent all 'rounder...

[KDXGarage]

SWEET! Thanks for the update.

[Chuck78]

1995-2006 Pro Circuit Platinum 2 pipes are now back in stock!


They had 36 pre-ordered on the waiting list, so they only had about 14 left available for sale if everyone that signed up on the waiting list actually buys one. Just FYI, get one while you can!

[Trackdog]

Pro Circuit called me today.
I will have a Platinum 2 pipe and 296 spark arrestor under the Christmas tree.
Free Shipping!

[MDKDX]

Chuck
Can you please verify the correct part # of pipe & #96 silencer for the 2001 KDX. 220 ? Also is the 296 silencer have a spark arrester ? I may have my dealer order
Thanks

[Chuck78]

Chuck
Can you please verify the correct part # of pipe & #96 silencer for the 2001 KDX. 220 ? Also is the 296 silencer have a spark arrester ? I may have my dealer order
Thanks

from my post on page 1 of this thread:

PK95200DP2 Platinum 2 pipe for 1995-2006 KDX200/220.
SK95200D-296 Type 296 spark arrestor for 1995-2006 KDX200/220.

Type 296 is a spark arrestor, and slightly longer than the FMF Turbine Core 2 and with additional bracing to resist bending/creasing on the stinger pipe.

[Chuck78]

My pipes should be here Tuesday!


I also have more money than the two pipes cost wrapped up in a big package of titanium fasteners after seeing the 20% off Black Friday Weekend sale at RaceTech Titanium... I got another load from Titan Classics in the UK (full brake piston and hardware kits and cylinder head studs+nuts), a '99-'03 KX125/250 front axle for my KX wheel going onto the '98 RM125 fork swap + a few other fasteners from Mettec, and some M12 bar mount bolts for the Applied Engineering RM125 triple clamps from Ti64. No rear axles exist in Titanium that I could find in the KDX width unfortunately. The snail cam adjusters make the KDX axle requirements about 9mm to 18mm wider vs a more conventional chain adjuster block and bolt. Zeta Racing made Titanium KDX/KLX / DR-Z400 rear axles AND Titanium snail cam adjusters up until covid, but ceased making them in 2020... darnit!!! There are two places that will make a 20mm axle in custom lengths, one in the UK, and one in China (who apparently are the manufacturers of a lot of the high dollar name brand Titanium parts for other companies),




I'm going to put some feelers out to see if anyone has ever put any sort of coating on their nickel plated pipes to both deaden the ring-ding-ding sound that makes single walled aftermarket pipes louder, but also to protect the finish better from scrapes and wear. With a pipe protector, it seems the finish always degrades under them from vibration/abrasion as well as mud and debris packing into the voids in the protectors and trapping moisture as well as additional abrasion. Something like Plastidip or a product like truck bedliner. I'm not sure of the temperatures that a chamber reaches, but I know it's enough to melt skin off! That may be a deal breaker there.

[Chuck78]

I finally received my Pro Circuit Platinum 2 expansion chambers yesterday after battling with FedEx refusing to leave it without a person present to sign ... They wouldn't even leave it if I called and requested or left assigned FedEx signature release form.
But I have them in my hands now after having Pro Circuit call and remove the restriction.

I got an ebay saved search alert which shows a couple sellers listing three available. This is probably three from the same distributor that each of these sellers uses. So being that they are only a handful of major wholesale distributors in the usa, I would venture to say that there is only a limited quantity of these available, 10 or less, for purchase still.

Anyone who wants more low end to work without compromising high RPM rev out any noticeable amount, you had better jump on these! I regret not buying three of them now, but I do have two banged up pipes to straighten out which I will probably try and use first. One brand new in my back stock indefinitely now that I have the FIR/Factory Image Racing dent blowout kit block off plates and a 500psi hydrostatic test pump as well.

[KDXGarage]

Congratulations on getting them!

[MDKDX]

Got pipe and silencer ordered .

[MDKDX]

Chuck
Can you provide link to proper skid plate / pipe guard from Hyde ? I have pro circuit pipe and silencer on the way
Thanks,
Barry

[Chuck78]

Chuck
Can you provide link to proper skid plate / pipe guard from Hyde ? I have pro circuit pipe and silencer on the way
Thanks,
Barry

Not an exact fit, but you can see in the photos above how the PC Platinum 2 fits the Hyde Racing skid plate exhaust guard combo.

Unfortunately it will probably be at least 3 weeks before I can mock up anything on my bike, but I do have both the Platinum 2 and this exhaust guard skid plate in hand now.

https://www.hyderacing.net/index.php?_r ... d/HP-EXG-8

[MDKDX]

Thanks