Pro Circuit Platinum 2 for 1995+ KDX is NOT discontinued!

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I've inquired again with Pro Circuit about the Platinum 2 pipe for the 1995-2006 KDX200 and all KDX220R models, as I wanted something for my 220 with just a touch more low end grunt than the FMF Gnarly Desert / Rev pipes that I have (1 of which is dent free but very mangled (distorted fitment from hard crashes).

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I see Summit Racing and a few sites say that it is "available for backorder," but most sites will say NLA or just simply unavailable.
Nothing against the FMF pipes, but I think the Pro Circuit pipe may be a bit more ideal for a 220 based on some reports of it having just a touch less on top and more low end grunt (Just not the low end grunt that the FMF Gnarly Woods / Torque pipe offers, but most, NOT ALL, say a 220 is best with the Desert/Rev pipe vs the Woods/Torque pipe....


Ryan@Pro Circuit - info@procircuit.com wrote: Hi,
Yes I can put you on the back order list for the PK95200DP2 1995+ KDX200/220R pipe.

We also don’t have an ETA on when the '95-'97 KX125 pipe will be available, but we still have plans to build both pipes.

I can put you on the back order list for both pipes if you want I just need:
Your name, phone number, and address .

Ryan Tibbets

Sales and Customer Service
2771 Wardlow Rd, Corona, CA, 92882
P: 951-738-8050
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So this is great news for those wanting something a little bit different from the FMF Gnarly Desert pipe, which has only had sporadic availability in the past 2 years due to Covid Supply Chain disruptions... :blink: :doh:



Give the Pro Circuit customer service number 951-738-8050 a call,

or email your name, address, and phone number to the Pro Circuit customer service line info@procircuit.com

and request the PK95200DP2 1995+ KDX200 Platinum 2 pipe.

It seems as if they prefer to take these requests over the phone, probably so that they can be more assured that it isn't just one guy contacting them from multiple email aliases trying to manipulate their production waiting list...


I'm on the list now, but I didn't inquire to see how many others have asked to be placed on the request list to bump up the production date of these pipes yet.

Also, if you're interested in the currently listed out of stock Type 296 spark arrester silencer, mention that as well, part # SK95200D-296 for 1995-2006 KDX200/220.
2/24/23 UPDATE - Pro Circuit called to notify that they just finished manufacturing a batch of Type 296 Spark Arrestors for the 95-06 KDX!

I have a Type 296 spark arrester, and I will firmly attest to the fact that this is built better than the FMF Turbine Core 2 by far, and just a touch longer than the FMF TC2 as well, for a slightly lower noise level when trying to be stealth, or for those of us who have used their teenage years thru early 40's to permanently damage their eardrums :shock:

The more requests they get, the higher up the priority list they will place the production of these pipes! I asked to make sure they'd still be offering the 95+ KDX pipe in the future, because the webpage for this part number on the procircuit.com site no longer exists... but obviously they must still be getting requests for this pipe due to the cult classic "best woods bike ever built" nature of the old KDX's, as well as the H-Series having such a long model run of identical compatibility, 12 years.
I was looking at building a 95-98 KX125 big bire/ported "KX144" or perhaps call it a "KDX150" woods bike with the purple plastics & lighting statir added, and those pipes only fit 3 years 95-97, and 98 is a 1-year-only pipe, bummer! I think the engine fitment is the same though as engines (1995-?) through 2002 will swap frames...PC is also out of those pipes but confirmed they do plan to build both again in the future.


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Thanks for the update!
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Of course! I'm just hoping that more people may see this and my other posts elsewhere and have some interest in getting one of these Pro Circuit Platinum 2 pipes for our H-series KDX's! The more people who ask to be added to Pro Circuit's waiting list, the sooner they will have them back in production.
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I've gotten a few people interested and signed up on Pro Circuit's waiting list for these so far, hopefully I can continue to solicit more legitimate interest in these so we can have a production run happen sooner 👍

I just wish I would've considered a Pro Circuit Platinum 2 / Type 296 system back in 2015 when I bought an FMF Gnarly Desert & Turbine Core 2 instead!



I read one really positive review comparing our H-series bikes on Dirt Rider, https://dirtrider.net/forums3/threads/k ... 20.184682/, and the guy was adamant about the FMF Gnarly Woods / Torque pipe being substantially more beneficial for a 220 IF running a PWK35 or 36mm bored carb over the stock tiny PWK33, with taking not much at all off the top end (versus stock?) and adding a ton of bottom end. Head mod really is a big factor as well since the 220 compression ratio is a bit lower than most desirable. He citrs airflow restriction of the small PWK33 carb as being the primary reason the 220 + Gnarly Woods pipe has no top end power at all (like a modern 300cc basically, but heck, those are the most popular woods tractors in existence now!).
An aftermarket SS109 or Jaguar CDI ignition box with better higher rev ability would also really help keep the higher RPM power from dropping off in addition to a carb upgrade and head mod if running the Gnarly Woods pipe.

I was hesitant to go with a Gnarly Woods pipe for my 220 as I didn't want to lose too much off the top, but the low end grunt was HIGHLY APPEALING. I will buy a Woods pipe if I can't get the Pro Circuit Platinum 2, but the Platinum 2 has a lot of user reviews saying that it doesn't sacrifice any low end power at all, and builds more low end by far over the FMF Gnarly Desert pipe, while having the same high RPM power. Sounds like a better design overall.
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Hi Chuck,
Thanks for sharing new information about aftermarket performance pipes. You also shared the following:
"...the FMF Gnarly Desert / Rev pipes FMF Gnarly Desert / Rev pipes that I have (1 of which is dent free but very mangled (distorted fitment from hard crashes)."

You will be able to perform your own back-to-back comparisons between the two existing and the new pipe when you get it. If you are willing to share, it'll be interesting to learn about such a comparison from you.
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Oh I certainly will discuss the comparisons once i actually get one!
I might even buy a Gnarly Woods pipe for my modified 220's sooner than later if the Platinum 2 wait is too long. I'd love to see how it does on a modded head 220 with a Lectron 34mm or Ron Black modified 36mm PWK35 Air Striker.
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Chuck78 wrote: 05:50 pm Feb 17 2023 Oh I certainly will discuss the comparisons once i actually get one!
I might even buy a Gnarly Woods pipe for my modified 220's sooner than later if the Platinum 2 wait is too long. I'd love to see how it does on a modded head 220 with a Lectron 34mm or Ron Black modified 36mm PWK35 Air Striker.
Don’t use the woods pipe on a 220. Waste of money. Desert or nothing.
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Slick_Nick wrote: 08:19 pm Feb 17 2023
Chuck78 wrote: 05:50 pm Feb 17 2023 Oh I certainly will discuss the comparisons once i actually get one!
I might even buy a Gnarly Woods pipe for my modified 220's sooner than later if the Platinum 2 wait is too long. I'd love to see how it does on a modded head 220 with a Lectron 34mm or Ron Black modified 36mm PWK35 Air Striker.
Don’t use the woods pipe on a 220. Waste of money. Desert or nothing.

That's what most people will say based off of Fredette's recommendation and not real world experience, but having talked to 3 different guys who run the woods pipe on a 220, it sounds quite promising for at least making a way more ultimate tight technical trails engine, especially for trials type riding in boulder fields and nasty terrain, immense low end that's super luggable and impossible to stall.

Of course with no top end, but those traits also ring true with the most popular of all 2-stroke enduro bike classes nowadays, the 300cc bikes... Tons of low end, no top end, very torquey, and best selling 2-stroke enduro size in the past several years...


One guy on Dirt Rider said he felt that it didn't take any off the top end at all when running a modified head and PWK35 with a #7 slide versus the stock PWK33, and had huge gains in the low end.
I have a feeling a Lectron 34mm or PWK35 + Ron Black modified head, and an SS109 or Jaguar ignition] giving a broader powerband than stock, that the Woods pipe will be quite viable on a 220 with these mods.

So far I have yet to hear any naysayers on this topic who have actually ran this setup - the only ones with real world experience have had very positive feedback.
Obviously if you're riding all fast trails or wide open fields, desert, etc, this would be the inferior choice for your riding style, but some people gravitate towards the tighter singletracks with technical sections - a terrain where this combo will really shine.
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I do have firsthand experience, I’ve ridden two 220’s side by side, my own and then a friends, I had the desert pipe and powercore 2, he had the woods pipe and Turbinecore 2. I noticed absolutely zero additional bottom end on his bike compared to mine. In fact, I felt that his bike was more prone to flaming out in the tight, technical stuff we ride up north in the Rockies. That could have come down to intricacies in jetting, etc I suppose.

Now maybe you’d notice a boost in bottom end over the STOCK pipe, but that’s not the topic being discussed here. I routinely swap between silencers myself, and have never noticed a difference, so I’ll call that variable negligible.

The 220 engine in general is built for more bottom end torque. It comes down to the cylinder casting and port timing compared to the 200. It’s really hindered up top where because of those things, it can’t breathe. That’s where the desert pipe comes in. It keeps all of the bottom end, in fact much improves it over stock, but allows the engine to flow enough at high rpm.
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You know I'd recently read some commentary here when searching old posts for Eric Gorr 225 kit porting (actually just a +1.0mm oversized 220 piston @ 223cc), where someone said Eric Gorr doesn't like to use the 220 cylinders for his "225" kit mods, as he prefers to bore the 200 cylinder out from stock 198cc 66mm(?) to 70mm instead as he prefers the casting/porting of the 200 cylinder as a basis for his porting work.

This got me really curious, although I have 2 fresh 220 cylinders, 1 worn out 220 cylinder, and 1 low hours ported 223cc +1.0mm 220 cylinder already (including the 2 on my 97 & 99 220's already, I still am temped to pick up a 200 cylinder to send out to Eric Gorr now after reading of this... More power everywhere is what I'd expect (thats his midfle of the road porting option), and I'd even expect the same out of his low end torque porting job on a 200>223cc cylinder job vs the reasons he doesn't like to start with the 220 cylinder.

I'll compare a stock 220 port job to this ported 223cc cylinder here, but I might also send it out with 2 heads and a 200 cylinder and have him do up a 200>223cc boring/plating & porting job and also compare my ported cylinder work to stock for reference to know what to expect out of this 223cc ported cylinder than a Nikasil plating shop in Canada did (CV Tech is what the seller told me).
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I think your buddy's bike with the woods pipe was a fluke of ignition timing variances and jetting differences.
The guys I spoke to said it was a fairly large boost in low end torque to the point where the bike was nearly impossible to stall...
One thing I've learned from reading up on ignitions, is that the components Kawasaki or Denso etc used in the stock CDI boxes are rated at a broad 10% tolerance... Whereas aftermarket ignitions use components rated to a tighter 5% tolerance from rated spec.
This explains why 2 identical KDX's can have everything set up exactly the same as far as jetting and static timing on the stator plate, but can behave noticably different... The additional 5% of allowable variance in electrical component spec can give noticably different timing advance curves.

This or just different stator plate adjustments could be the reason for your observations as well as the bikes not having ever had the jetting fine tuned.

My neighbor buddy has a 200 with the Gnarly Woods pipe, and his bike was very weak in my opinion even after Boyesen Reeds, jet block gasket and carb clean etc.
After a day of trail riding and playing with the fuel metering and getting the mixture screw dialed, the amount of power gain was UNBELIEVABLE, the bike, from nearly any RPM, with any moderate throttle input, would just spin up the rear wheel lightning fast and spit rocks and dirt at everything left in it's dust, it was a mind blowing change of tune just getting the carb dialed in.
I still prefer my 220's low end torquevand lower speed ridability, but that was just a wild wild change from "minor" fuel metering tweaks.

I've also ridden that same Gnarly Woods equipped 200H, my '97 220 with Gnarly Desert pipe, and another buddy's H-series 200 with Gnarly Desert pipe, all back to back.
The 200 with the Desert pipe had no bottom end, it was very soft off the bottom, then had a massive wheel-lifting power surge in the midrange. I much prefered the Gnarly Woods equipped 200.
I attribute some of these traits to his (Gnarly Desert 200) having the stator plate at a more clockwise setting on the lower side of the 3 marks, and the Gnarly Woods equipped 200 having the stator plate more counterclockwise to the higher marks of the 3 in the acceptable timing range , but I don't feel it was all in the timimg and jetting, the low end characteristics were a night and day difference on the 200's, therefore I'd certainly believe the 2 pipes on a 220 would have at least a significantly noticable difference in low end power.

My wife works at a big internet parts seller business, so I might try the Gnarly Woods pipe out on my 220's using her wholesale+ 10% discount. Worst case I offer it up to my 2006 KDX200 buddy with the Gnarly Desert pipe, as the Woods pipe equipped 200 had traits much mire to his riding style. I also would like ro pull the flywheels off both bikes to check out the stator plate static ignition timing settings
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Ultimately though, I most of all want the Pro Circuit Platinum 2 pipe for both my bikes, this Gnarly Woods 220 thing is mostly just out of curiosity... The stock 220 porting with a modified head, V-Force3 reeds, and Lectron 34mm, with Gnarly Desert pipe has never left me feeling like I needed more top end, and the bottom end that the 220 porting and Lectron 34mm provides is much more to my liking vs a KDX200 or KTM 200.

The woods tractor potential of the Gnarly Woods pipe on a 220 really fascinates me though. 300cc-like torque potential and trials-like capabilities on a 13/48-13/49 would be pretty amazing in the nastiest rocky tight Appalachian Eastern woods riding...

The 200 & especially the 220 or an Eric Gorr 223cc have a ton of potential when unleashed properly... No need for me to rush out and drop $9500 on a new Beta 250RR Race Edition when tinkering on these affordable and awesome old bikes can give performance nearly on par with a modern 250 2T, well exceeding the limiting factors of it's pilot's abilities :supz:

Plus, they don't make new bikes in retro purple and green 1996 graphics/plastics!
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I would love to hear what you think about the various pipes if you compared them all back to back. I would do it but don't feel like spending the money! BTW, if anyone wants to send me a Gnarly woods and a Pro Circuit pipe I would actually take the time to compare them to one another! :mrgreen:
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… or you could just ask someone who’s already done it. 🤓

Personally, I followed Fredette’s recommendations on opening up my fully stock (it was very manageable and pleasant back then) KDX H model and woke up a fire breathing dragon 🔥🔥🔥.

If my bike CAN make more power, even with all of my suspension upgrades I’ve done I personally wouldn’t know what to do with it. Better brake pads might actually help the most.

Only thing I can think of to significantly improve performance at this point would be to reduce weight in some significant way which would be very expensive and may introduce significant reliability problems. The biggest performance factor yet to be seriously addressed honestly is to improve my skill level.

More training, more strength, more seat time = faster.
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MoonStomper wrote: 09:17 am Feb 19 2023 Only thing I can think of to significantly improve performance at this point would be to reduce weight in some significant way
:hmm: Sounds like you need to build a hybrid....
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Uuggggghhhh you’re killing me!

Think I’ll just ride my son’s Rieju 300, that bike is amazing and knowing how I’d do the hybrid would be a lot cheaper (divorces are expen$ive)!
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I got a phone call from Pro Circuit yesterday, but my excitement was mostly a false alarm... They were calling to say they have a new batch of Type 296 Spark Arrestors in stock finally, for the 95-06 KDX200 & 220.

I told him I got a used one a year and a half ago after being on their waiting list for 6 months (this is the 2nd phone call stock notification in 2yrs for the Type 296).

Told him I was REALLY wanting the Platinum 2 pipe for the 95+ KDX, & on that list, as they haven't had any since 2019.
He said they had no scheduled date for production yet and were waiting on more people to request them (as I suspected). After I explained to him how much superior I felt these pipes and the Type 296 were to the also fairly nice FMF offerings, and how I've been trying to rally up a few more people on the forums, he said he'd talk to his manager and see if they could do something to get these made sooner.
I explained how FMF has a stronghold on the KDX market ONLY because they've actually had somewhat consistent stock of pipes for these bikes.

Please, anyone looking for a pipe and spark arrestor of the highest quality, call Pro Circuit and request to be added to their product request waiting list;


Give the Pro Circuit customer service number 951-738-8050 a call,

or email your name, address, and phone number to the Pro Circuit customer service line info@procircuit.com

and request the PK95200DP2 1995+ KDX200 Platinum 2 pipe.

It seems as if they prefer to take these requests over the phone, probably so that they can be more assured that it isn't just one guy contacting them from multiple email aliases trying to manipulate their production waiting list...
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I have a Pro Circuit Type 296 spark arrestor, just traded my FMF Turbine Core 2 spark arrestor, and have an FMF Q spark arrestor still (approximately 3" longer version of the TC2, no longer available).
I fully vouch for the fact that although the FMF TC2 is an excellent product, the Pro Circuit Type 296 absolutely is of higher quality. Slightly longer for a few decibels of noise reduction, and a gussetted inlet pipe in the location where this FMF spark arrestor got bent and creased from crashes. Better construction than the FMF, although if you only had the FMF in front of you in pieces for a repack, there's not much to complain about on quality, but the PC is even better built.

The experienced users of the Platinum 2 will all tell you that it makes more bottom end than the FMF Gnarly Desert, with no noticeable compromise on the top end power.
This is absolutely the selling point for me, the better construction of the Type 296 was just an added selling point.
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Well I just called Pro Circuit again, and they still said they have no ETA on the 95-06 KDX Platinum 2 pipes...
He did say that if they got 50 customers on the waiting list for them, production would get bumped up to near the front of the line...
I know of a dozen people on the waiting list, but I did not ask how many people might already be on the waiting list.

After reading a handful of reviews that were very well-based, pretty much all of them that did even & accurate comparisons on all the pipes on similar bikes, always say that the Pro Circuit is the best out of the 3 pipes for the 95-06 KDX...

The part # is:
PK95200DP2

Pro Circuit's phone # is:
951-738-8050

Call them up and get added to that wait list!!!! No deposit required!
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Re: Pro Circuit Platinum 2 for 1995+ KDX is NOT discontinued!

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If it helps, I'll add my name to the list.
I would like to try the PC pipe with their 296.
2004 KDX 200
2004 KX 125
1986 CR 125
1994 DR350
1998 VFR
2004 DUCATI S4R
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