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Needles vs Jets
Posted: 05:33 pm Apr 29 2018
by firsthere
If it were the same for the 200 I would go for it, it may not though being different carbs, same goal though.
If anyone has done the CEL please post up.
Re: Needles vs Jets
Posted: 02:49 pm May 07 2018
by John_S
The 200 and 220 needles are very similar. They are something like the Keihin BEP and BEQ or somewhere around there. That is an unusual needle based on what other 2 strokes have come with over the years. I think plenty of people have gone to the CEL over stock 200 or 220 needle and been happy with it. I ran the CEL on a 220 with a 33mm and 35mm carb and it was better all around than the stock needle. Mine was best on clip 2. For the low cost of the needle I say give it a shot, start on clip 3 and go from there. You have to be willing to start the jetting process over with the pilot and main jets but its worth it.
Needles vs Jets
Posted: 08:15 pm May 09 2018
by firsthere
Got a good assortment of jets (within range) so guess I'll give it a try.
Re: Needles vs Jets
Posted: 04:26 pm Aug 05 2019
by TwistedRoot
The CEL is an awesome needle! Im amazed at the difference.
Re: Needles vs Jets
Posted: 08:44 am Aug 18 2019
by Roostmaster1
The 200 I just bought has a similar issue. It runs out strong after warmup but when putting around just barely cracking the throttle, it has a hesitation/bog. The guy I bout it from rebuilt the carb with factory jet kit and put it back stock except with a slightly leaner main. I’m wondering if he got the needle height right and if I go down a notch on the clip will that fix the issue? I did notice a slight exhaust leak on the FMF header. I’m wondering if that seal is causing this big-off-isle issue. He told me that he read on the internet somewhere that to get these bikes to run correctly the top of the air box should b removed and he did so. Could that b the issue. I don’t have any issues with how the bike runs except right off of idle. Barely cracking the throttle creates this hesitation but other than that it runs out fine. He also said that he has had trouble getting FMF pipes to fit and seal properly. Suggestions???
Re: Needles vs Jets
Posted: 09:50 am Aug 18 2019
by TwistedRoot
Roostmaster1:
Sounds like you need to check your pilot size first. Stock kit size is often 3-4 sizes too rich. Im def no expert but since I went down to a 40 I have been able to jet my bike spot on.
Re: Needles vs Jets
Posted: 12:49 pm Aug 18 2019
by Roostmaster1
So y think 40 pilot will clean that up?
Re: Needles vs Jets
Posted: 09:10 am Aug 19 2019
by firsthere
Mines a 38 (KDX200) 2 out with the CEL needle 2nd from top 4000' elev. This cleaned up the bottom though still have a mid/top flat spot. I'm thinking the 155 needs to go down to 152 to clear it up.
Re: Needles vs Jets
Posted: 09:26 am Aug 19 2019
by TwistedRoot
firsthere wrote: 09:10 am Aug 19 2019
Mines a 38 (KDX200) 2 out with the CEL needle 2nd from top 4000' elev. This cleaned up the bottom though still have a mid/top flat spot. I'm thinking the 155 needs to go down to 152 to clear it up.
The 152 will fix that up.
Roostmaster1 wrote: 12:49 pm Aug 18 2019
So y think 40 pilot will clean that up?
Everyones situation is different. I dont think most guys are running the stock size pilot. Read the jetting guide and it will tell you how to proceed.
Re: Needles vs Jets
Posted: 10:40 am Aug 19 2019
by KDXGarage
If the level and all other mechanical stuff is correct, then make one change at a time and perhaps one step on jetting at a time.
Re: Needles vs Jets
Posted: 01:22 pm Aug 19 2019
by CAL-kawi
Yes. I would also fix that exhaust leak before you jet. Extra air will get sucked in and throw off your mixture. Pipes can get bent in a hard hit, and won't fit squarely in the engine. They can be bent back with some work, or you can use some high temp silicone for a more "crash-proof" seal. Or sometimes it's just a matter of new o-rings and crush washer.
For what it's worth, my past 200's ran well on 45 when mostly stock, but that's at fairly low elevation with comfortable temps. If using a Cel or Del, then yes, explore the smaller pilots.
Re: Needles vs Jets
Posted: 12:00 am Aug 20 2019
by kdxdazz
Roostmaster1 wrote: 08:44 am Aug 18 2019
The 200 I just bought has a similar issue. It runs out strong after warmup but when putting around just barely cracking the throttle, it has a hesitation/bog. The guy I bout it from rebuilt the carb with factory jet kit and put it back stock except with a slightly leaner main. I’m wondering if he got the needle height right and if I go down a notch on the clip will that fix the issue? I did notice a slight exhaust leak on the FMF header. I’m wondering if that seal is causing this big-off-isle issue. He told me that he read on the internet somewhere that to get these bikes to run correctly the top of the air box should b removed and he did so. Could that b the issue. I don’t have any issues with how the bike runs except right off of idle. Barely cracking the throttle creates this hesitation but other than that it runs out fine. He also said that he has had trouble getting FMF pipes to fit and seal properly. Suggestions???
Airbox lid removed could definitely be an issue at idle, I have mine taped up to a 2x2 inch hole. Airbox lid removed is a controversial topic, I'm in the don't remove it corner
To add another variable to the needle topic, none of the needle recommendations are relevant if the needle jet on the carb is worn. You might have to rejet completely differently
Re: Needles vs Jets
Posted: 12:24 pm Aug 20 2019
by firsthere
kdxdazz wrote: 12:00 am Aug 20 2019
Airbox lid removed could definitely be an issue at idle, I have mine taped up to a 2x2 inch hole. Airbox lid removed is a controversial topic, I'm in the don't remove it corner
I seem to remember this being the "word" back when modding & jetting the old 89/90 KDX's.